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Steffen Nurpmeso <steffen@sdaoden.eu>
Subject:
Re: mail(1) patches (UPDATE)
To:
"Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)" <lyndon@orthanc.ca>
Cc:
Walter Alejandro Iglesias <wai@roquesor.com>, tech@openbsd.org
Date:
Fri, 26 Jul 2024 23:52:27 +0200

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  • Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM):

    mail(1) patches (UPDATE)

  • Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM) wrote in
     <fd28cb5e8724a761@orthanc.ca>:
     |Don't just blithely assume you can drop in UTF-8 and that
     |it will "just work."  There were a number of discussions
     |related to UTF-8 email at the IETF meeting this week.  The
     |consensus was that we haven't achieved interoperability yet,
     |at least not to the level everyone would like.  I expect
     |there will be one or more internet drafts coming to life
     |to address this.  You might want to review the videos
     |from the emailcore and sml WG meetings.
     |
     |I will try to find some time over the weekend to take
     |a look at your diffs.
    
    We had this last year already, in October i then posted
    
      Crystal Kolipe wrote in
       <ZScwXX+zeDwrZtLx@exoticsilicon.com>:
       |On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 12:36:48AM +0200, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote:
       |> Non-7-bit clean headers need RFC 2047 (and/or RFC 2231) encoding.
       |
       |The use of MIME encoded words to encode header content is no longer
       |considered best practice.  See, for example RFC 6532.
    
      Yes there is SMTPUTF8, which is a special protocol.
      The /global MIME thing i personally have _never_ seen in practice.
      I have downloaded the RFC on 2012-07-23.
    
       |But as Omar said, let's get the basics of any new functionality
       |sorted out before jumping ahead.  We don't really want to break
       |mail in some unexpected and non-obvious way.
    
      I cannot comment on that.  I am pretty sure i have never seen
      /global yet.  Ie an archive search here reveals only three mails
      where i mention them in the text; the last is from a thread from
      nmh-workers@nongnu.org from July this year, and let me shamelessly
      quote Ken Hornstein who said on 2023-07-23
    
       The message/global MIME type (a RFC822 message but with UTF-8
       everywhere) has a suggested file extension of ".u8msg", which
       I have never personally seen "in the wild" anywhere.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    
    You need, to the best of my understanding, send messages as the
    MIME type message/global in order to send UTF-8 internationalized
    email.
    
     --End of <fd28cb5e8724a761@orthanc.ca>
    
    --steffen
    |
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    |einen nach dem anderen runter  wa.ks himself off
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    |
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    | On the 81st anniversary of the Goebbel's Sportpalast speech
    | von der Leyen gave an overlong hypocritical inauguration one.
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  • Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM):

    mail(1) patches (UPDATE)