From: Steffen Nurpmeso Subject: Re: Adding Message-ID to mail(1) (diff UPDATED) To: Walter Alejandro Iglesias Cc: tech@openbsd.org Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2024 00:57:04 +0200 Hello Walter. Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote in : |On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 20:25:34 +0200 Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: |> Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote in |> : ... |[.] Surely you also usually visit |mutt-dev@ and noticed the patches I proposed to be able to change the |keyboard shortcut of the abort command to 'Esc' which, as happens with |many ncurses based applications, is deeply hardcoded to the |emacs-user-friendly Ctrl-G. When I posted there my first proposal, in Yes, but i did not follow closely, and have somewhat forgotten about it in addition. From memory you did not write a proper patch that makes this a user option, by default disabled? Other than that i cannot imagine why this hm quite understandable feature request was not supported. But it is like i said, it flew by long ago, like that tmux thing just recently, i also have forgotten about that already (again). |2017, I received many objections from users (which caught my attention |being a mailing list for developers,) I dare to say most of them were |"needlessly fanciful" objections. I don't know how many people took |care of the maintenance of Mutt back then but it gave me the impression |that it was only one guy and the same that is still taking care of it |today. He took advantage of the objections of users to disengage from Seems to me Kevin McCarthy stepped back and is in plain maintenance mode. You are not alone with having a patch that was not accepted, by the way. |my proposal, he did not even look at my patches. At that moment he was |very busy with some SSL issue which many would think it's a more |important matter than adding some key binding to the interface, right? |Well, if you understand that a MUA is a "user interface", and features |like SMTP, IMAP, POP2, SSL are (or at least should be) better handled by |software designed and maintained for that purpose, you see that it's |exactly the opposite. A MUA maintainer should have more time and space |to attend to a user interface related issue than a SSL one. Hmmmmmmm |Which is the current trend, the tackier people are, the more addicted |they are to accessories. "What, your hammer doesn't have wifi?!" Of |course, removing the handle from the hammer to make it safer is the |other extreme of idiocy. Common sense is a rare gem today. 'Seems to me there is a tremendous amount of common sense, unfortunately under quite a lot of pressure. |As a side note. From this it can be deduced what I think of your s-nail |project. Anyway, I'd expressed my opinion to you privately years ago, I |hope I didn't offend you with what I said. Oh, .. i remember graphics of your wife, which i liked very much! I have so few time for the MUA, but it is hm hobby, and it gets better; v14.10 will be "Mountains O' Things", but still suffers from the strict BSD Mail separation of send path and otherwise. Shall i live long enough it will see v15 though. --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)